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Psssst – You're being robbed

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Income inequality is killing us -- literally. The gap in wealth and income between the upper 2% of the population and the middle and lower 80% is larger today than at any time since the 1920's. The sagging economy of today is a disaster for millions of hard working Americans. It is a distant curiosity to the few who earn as much as $3.7 billion dollars this year. Do you know who is paying that salary? You are. You are being robbed.

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{"commentId":1965782,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Where is this getting us?

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  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:58 AM EDT
{"commentId":1966966,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

It is about propaganda for business disguised as some form of Nationalist protection from unseen dangers. While the toxic waste sites grow and the infrastructure crumbles, the banner of Free Trade and Free Markets is waving over the biggest privatization of public resources and converting the American citizenry into the first, post industrial third world country, bankrupted and starving.

No problem for Wall Street, Halliburton's new Global HQ is in Dubai and Dubai just bought the Chrysler Building. When it comes to cheap workers and favorable government, it's all the same.

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#1.1 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1965846,"authorDomain":"gbixler"}

One only needs to look to the past eight years to see where it's getting us. We've been enacting policies specifically aimed at increasing the income gap and, guess what? It's worked.

But the other half of the equation, the part where that money is supposed to "trickle down", seems, as ever, broken. This was a key component in Rove's plan to build a permanent Republican majority. But they'll find out in November that little plan backfired.

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Reply#2 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:32 AM EDT
{"commentId":1966241,"authorDomain":"SepticSkeptic"}

In 1999, the bottom 50% of Americans paid 4.00% of all income taxes. The top 1% paid 36%. In 2005, that same bottom 50% paid 3.07%, while the top 1% paid 39%. That's right, the richest Americans picked up a quarter of the poorest Americans' tax burden during the first half of the Bush presidency. In those same years, the median income rose from $26,415 to $30,881 (barely beating inflation). So the poor got less poor AND payed less in taxes. Don't give me this horse@!$%# about how only the poor and middle class pay taxes, the rich get over.

Before you ask, those are IRS statistics.

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Reply#3 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
{"commentId":1966295,"authorDomain":"gbixler"}

Um. I'm no math major, but doesn't that mean the people in the middle, that lovely 51 - 99 bracket, paid 60 percent of the taxes? And isn't a whole big chunk of that bracket the "middle class"?

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#3.1 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
{"commentId":1966564,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

BS stat..
see if you take away a dollar from the poor and give it to someone in a higher tax bracket.. which is what this article is about.. guess what happens there skeptic????
you get to tax that dollar at a higher rate.
Now give me a huge raise and I wont mind paying a higher percentage of taxes either.
SIcne we know for a fact the top2% tax rate went down under bush.. the only conclusion from your stats IS THE RICH HAVE GOTTEN RICHER AND THE POOOR HAVE GOTTEN POORER..
thanks for proving the point of the story.

and incase you havent gotten it.
10 men all making 200k each paying 25% in taxes that's 50k each for a totally of 500k.
each man is respocnible for 10% of our tax income.
now you take all that money from 9 of them and give it to 1 man now making 2million and taxed at a rate of 35%. this is a total of 700k (wow more tax reciepts just like the gop says happens when you cut taxes {for the rich})Now 1 man is paying 100% of the taxes.. this is your arguement, ingoring the fact that 9 are starving.. the rich guy is happy as pie.

See how that works??? see how lowering tax rate for the rich actually increases receipts by makign the poor poorer and the rich richer, so you can tax the same dollar at a higher rate but still makes the rich richer.

so next time someone compalisn about the rich paying 80% of the taxes, remind them that they own 90% of the country and if income was more equal the rich would not be paying such a high percentage of our taxes

Oh and on your median income.. perhaps you should adjust that for inflation here ya go check it out.... the numbeers come out quite quite differnt. Also check out our cia world fact book page... yeah it supports my argument by saying "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."
so much for a rising tide lifts all ships huh.
long story short, you are wrong skeptic.

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#3.2 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
{"commentId":1966792,"authorDomain":"leogodin"}
Um. I'm no math major, but doesn't that mean the people in the middle, that lovely 51 - 99 bracket, paid 60 percent of the taxes? And isn't a whole big chunk of that bracket the "middle class"?

Those with the top 10% of incomes pay 70% of income taxes. The poor and middle class pay relatively little in income taxes. Actually the poor and middle class families pay very little income taxes. Single people pay quite a bit more.

That being said, I think the problem here is that there was a time when helping business meant helping common US citizens. However, in today's global economy helping big business means more jobs go over seas. Many companies (including the one I work for) are desperately trying to send jobs to places like Malaysia, China, and Costa Rica.

I also see a problem with the fact that corporations will actually write bills, send them to congress and get them passed as laws. Telecommunications companies and Entertainment companies do this quite a bit. In the end, nothing is being done for the middle class people.

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#3.3 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
{"commentId":1975890,"authorDomain":"Orwell"}

Septic,

Those percentages are based on dollar amounts, not on percentage of income paid. Of course the rich pay more dollar-wise than the poor; they make considerably more money. But they do not pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the poor.

The poor pay @18% in taxes; the rich 19%. Those numbers are based on percentage paid on income.

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#3.4 - Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
{"commentId":1975909,"authorDomain":"nearing"}
I also see a problem with the fact that corporations will actually write bills, send them to congress and get them passed as laws. Telecommunications companies and Entertainment companies do this quite a bit. In the end, nothing is being done for the middle class people.

Yes, Mussolini called it Fascism. That is where we are.

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#3.5 - Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
{"commentId":1976008,"authorDomain":"drudge"}

SS
Did you read the article? Redistribution of income by taxation does not even come in to it.

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#3.6 - Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
{"commentId":1977346,"authorDomain":"leogodin"}
The poor pay @18% in taxes; the rich 19%. Those numbers are based on percentage paid on income.

What type of taxes are you figuring into these numbers? The poor do not pay income taxes and if you make very little and have a family you actually gain money with the earned income credit.

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    #3.7 - Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:45 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1977723,"authorDomain":"Orwell"}

    The working poor pay income taxes. It is a myth that they don't. They also pay local and state income taxes, sales taxes and property taxes - the percentage paid in property taxes being higher than the percentages for the rich, because of that dollar thing.

    Also, the working poor do not have the benefit of tax shelters which the rich do, so that the rich can actually lower their tax basis while the poor cannot. Nor do the rich only make their money through income, while the poor do, so the 15% capital gains tax benefits the rich.

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    #3.8 - Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":1966904,"authorDomain":"gabby3239"}

    If you buy gas the Republican Policies are costing you a additional $5000.00 a year in gasoline cost alone, while real wages and buying power is shrinking and benefits are being slashed if not cut out completely when George Bush and the Republicans started the annual cost of 30 gallons a week of gas was $2290.00 now after 7 years of Republican mismanagement of the American economy the annual cost of 30 gallons of gasoline has risen to over $7000.00 and is still climbing. This amounts to a $5000.00 reduction of disposable income for every 1 car family in America, and families that have 2 or more cars are experiencing a even greater loss of disposable income. This additional cost of gasoline amounts to approximately $3.37 per hour worked to pay for fuel cost.

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    Reply#4 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1968624,"authorDomain":"leogodin"}

    renard

    If you buy gas the Republican Policies are costing you a additional $5000.00 a year in gasoline cost alone,

    How do you figure this? Gas prices are high world wide not just in the US. I blame a lot on Bush and the Republicans in Congress but this is a huge stretch.

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      #4.1 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":1967052,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
      I have my fingers crossed. Senator Obama, the ball is in your court.

      Fantastic article and wonderful seed, but I disagree with the wish for Obama to change it. This is about a population demanding that the corporate welfare, abusive labor and environmental practices, the privatization of resources ends. We the people need to vote with our dollars and actions to push change as the path of least resistance. Obama can provide the tone but power needs to come from the People.

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      Reply#5 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1967170,"authorDomain":"cdpamelajean"}

      I see a lot of ignorance and koolaid drinkers here believing all the propaganda that they are "being robbed" BY "INCOME INEQUITY"; so what do they think, that they should get paid for doing less, that a middle management or lower level job should get paid the same as someone that is responsible for an entire corporation and too keep in mind that many of those "top wage earners" invest their money in businesses that provide you whiners with a job; I've never gotten employment from a poor person, have you?
      Clinton and the current congress are responsible for your high gasoline costs by refusing to allow American Oil Companies the right to drill into our known oil reserves in Alaska, and off the coasts of Florida and California, they have also refused them the right to drill in other oil reserves in the continental USA and have made it impossible to build any new refineries in the last 30 years and dictated so many blends of gasoline that the cost of production rose a great deal. Keep in mind that they are publicly owned companies and that a very large percentage of their stock is owned by pension funds. Obama and his government cradle to grave nannyism and plans to raise taxes on all citizens and companies will drive this country into bankruptcy; he is talking Socialism and Communism, both of which are failed forms of government that kept people enslaved to the government for years until they collapsed under their own weight.

      Lets lay the blame where it belongs, on all the liberal, socialistic Democrats in Congress that are more concerned with gaining power than the good of the USA.

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        Reply#6 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1967321,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

        lol no but we expect when our production increases and the companies make more money that that money actually trickles down as promissed, instead it doesn't happen but when times turn tough people do get the axe.
        the socailist dems havent been in power over the past 8 years.. but thanks for spinning..
        and many of these top wage earners who have seen their tax rates free fall since that liberal JFK, send our money overseas by hiring chinese workers who spend their paychecks at chinese small biz.
        yeah I see a lot of ignorance and koolaid drinking.. iff you think that bailing our mega corps and not bailing out smallbiz doesn't tip the field in their favor.
        your drinking the koolaid when you think that reducing capital gains taxes below income tax rates, doesn't actaully filter money upwards.
        as for the drilling, it has been proven it would only save us 7 cents in gas and had the clintons allowed us to drill that oil would almosts be gone by now...
        and yeah who has the fastest growing economy on earth?? china and what is their economy based on?? and what about norway.. lol yous guys talk a good game, but simple facts always get in your way.

        It isnt that obama is going to raise taxes, he is going to roll back tax cuts, as the top 2% have seen their tax rates drop with every president since kennedy.

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        • 3 votes
        #6.1 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1968638,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
        Colonialgirl...I see a lot of ignorance and koolaid drinkers here believing all the propaganda that they are "being robbed" BY "INCOME INEQUITY"; so what do they think, that they should get paid for doing less,

        What a mouth; it must be the scullery maid form of colonial that the name refers to, since manners and polish are nowhere to be seen.

        Arrogance is only tolerable when educated facts back up the claims. If you'd like to look for individuals who earn more for doing less, look no farther than Wall Street's biggest bankers who drove portfolio losses into the billions and recieved golden parachutes in the megamillions.

        I've never gotten employment from a poor person, have you?

        Wrong question tootsie, what rich person has made a fortune without exploitive practices and government handouts is a better one. How many Federally subsidized corporate welfare programs do the working class support with tax dollars? How much help should corporations get?

        The Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) has been the most prominent recipient of corporate welfare in recent U.S. history. ADM and its chairman Dwayne Andreas have lavishly fertilized both political parties with millions of dollars in handouts and in return have reaped billion-dollar windfalls from taxpayers and consumers.

        Thanks to federal protection of the domestic sugar industry, ethanol subsidies, subsidized grain exports, and various other programs, ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM's annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government.

        Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM's corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30

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        • 3 votes
        #6.2 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:56 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1975925,"authorDomain":"Orwell"}

        Colonial,

        Absolutely. We all just want to take everyone's money and throw it up in the air and whoever catches the most of it gets to be rich.

        While we're at it, we're coming to your house and kicking you out because you're just too stupid for words. No offense. ;-)

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        #6.3 - Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
        {"commentId":1975968,"authorDomain":"nearing"}

        Hey Colonial,

        paid the same as someone that is responsible for an entire corporation

        Did you know that the average Internal Medicine physician in the US makes $160k? Do you think that is too much for someone who is responsible for the lives of thousands (usual patient base) of actual people (not a corporation, I know)?

        How about the average Physician Assistant who has the exact same responsibilities as the doctor s/he works under making $85k? Too much?

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        #6.4 - Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":1968751,"authorDomain":"nearing"}

        clipped to EconVine group.

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        Reply#7 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1976970,"authorDomain":"200MilesUp"}

        Is inequality the cause of the problem, or is it just a symptom of a structural problem in the US economy?

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          Reply#8 - Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:14 AM EDT
          {"commentId":1977735,"authorDomain":"Orwell"}

          Democracy creates wealth, and wealth eventually destroys Democracy - I don't remember who said that but it sound about right.

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          #8.1 - Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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